VoodooPad 6 Wishlist

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15 Aug, 2018 03:53 AM

It's been eight months since Primate Labs acquired VoodooPad. We're starting to think about what we want to include in VoodooPad 6. Some things, like iCloud support, are obvious. Other things might not be, so I wanted to create a thread where users could tell us what they want (or what they don't want) to see in VoodooPad 6.

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  1. 91 Posted by John on 08 Sep, 2019 09:58 PM

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    I finally got a reply from Primate Labs ... and tried my registration info again and it works. I don't know whether it was just me not doing it correctly before or something has changed but a suggestion for anyone else who had the same problem - maybe try again...

    Thanks to Primate Labs (John) for the reply. Looking forward to version 6 when it comes out.

  2. 92 Posted by Betty on 02 Nov, 2019 12:29 AM

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    Any update on when VP6 will ship?

  3. Support Staff 93 Posted by John on 24 Nov, 2019 05:26 PM

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    It's been a busy fall with the Geekbench 5 release.

    We're still hoping to ship something at the end of the year but it's more likely to be a preview release rather than a final release.

  4. 94 Posted by amnesic on 24 Nov, 2019 06:35 PM

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    I share the sadness of seeing that VP is no longer progressing and I find it so unfortunate that Gus is being sold his product which is (was?) really a jewel.
    That said, I still use it every day and I don't have any problems blocking it while I use Catalina as soon as it comes out. For that, we must thank Primate Labs for its work in keeping the application functional even if it is no longer their priority.

    Waiting for you to take my money for version 6! :-)

  5. Support Staff 95 Posted by John on 25 Nov, 2019 11:03 PM

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    Our plan had been to work on Geekbench 5 and VoodooPad 6 simultaneously but for a number of reasons (including staffing) that didn’t work out.

    That said I use VoodooPad 6 daily and I’m excited about how it’s shaping up. It’s taking longer than I had hoped but it’s still a product we’re invested in and want to see succeed.

  6. 96 Posted by Jim on 01 Dec, 2019 01:14 PM

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    I really wanted to see VP6 this year too and am disappointed it won't be coming. VP5 feels and looks dated.

    That being said, I'm clicking the "Buy" button in the Mac App Store the second VP6 is released...obviously, I hope it's sooner rather than later.

    My major VP6 wishlist hopes:
    • rock-solid encryption (this is my #1 request)
    • Touch ID support for MacBooks that have Touch ID (maybe this is handled on the macOS level and not the app-level though. What I mean I'm looking for is if we password protect our VP documents, when we launch them we can use Touch ID to authenticate instead of entering the password)
    • iCloud Drive support/syncing
    • option to buy through the Mac App Store
    • a unified single interface (ie: get rid of the pullout drawer and replace it with a sidebar

  7. Support Staff 97 Posted by John on 01 Dec, 2019 07:42 PM

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    Jim, do you have any specific concerns with VoodooPad 5 and encryption? Plausible Labs did a lot of work improving the encryption layer in VoodooPad 5.1.4 and we're currently not aware of any issues with it.

  8. 98 Posted by Hawfinch on 01 Dec, 2019 07:55 PM

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    John, have you tracked down the encryption issue I raised in this thread?:


    The problem still occurs on my setup.

  9. Support Staff 99 Posted by John on 02 Dec, 2019 04:31 AM

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    We're still unable to reproduce the problem with our encrypted documents, and I'm still confused as to how Spotlight can read the encrypted documents in the first place. We'll keep working on that issue.

  10. 100 Posted by Gus Mueller on 02 Dec, 2019 06:42 AM

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    By default, encrypted documents have the spotlight indexing option turned off. But if you flip the "Make document searchable from Spotlight" switch in the Info ▸ Document section of the palette, encrypted documents will write out the little cache files so spotlight can index it.

    @Hawfinch - can you check and see if that button is turned on or off for your document?

    Maybe there's a way to start with an unencrypted document with that switch turned on, and then the document is encrypted and the setting isn't turned off?

  11. 101 Posted by Hawfinch on 02 Dec, 2019 10:42 AM

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    Hi Gus - Yes, I just checked and that switch was on for each of my encrypted documents. I've now flipped it off and I believe that's fixed the problem. I can create a new page and Spotlight does not create an unencrypted copy of it in the cache.

    Thanks for your help - and for creating VoodooPad!

  12. Support Staff 102 Posted by John on 02 Dec, 2019 03:23 PM

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    Thanks, Gus! It should be easy for us to disable that setting automatically when a document is encrypted so it doesn't affect other users in the future.

  13. Support Staff 103 Posted by John on 30 Dec, 2019 03:25 AM

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    VoodooPad 6 Preview 1 is now available for download. Find out what's new and improved in the following discussion: http://support.primatelabs.com/discussions/voodoopad/29565-voodoopa...

  14. 104 Posted by jjr on 22 Mar, 2020 02:12 AM

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    When do you anticipate beta2 of VP6 to drop? When is current GA plan, still May? What will the upgrade price be for existing customers of VP5?

    I went back and looked to see when I first purchased VP Pro from Gus and it was 2009. Have been using VP more and more recently, so happy to hear there is work on a new version coming. Good idea to remove webserver and embedded scripting, but do not disable Applescripting.

    The formatting options really need a rework, so also happy to hear this is part of the focus. You really have to do something about that spacing "palette" ... it is so burdensome to respace when trying to make bulk changes and there is no way to redo the last spacing that was applied (think command-Y). Really annoying. Please fix this.

    And ps your ReCAPTCHA is b0rked. Have to go through more than half a dozen iterations. Seriously? Great for the autonomous cars I guess.

  15. Support Staff 105 Posted by John on 23 Mar, 2020 05:22 AM

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    We're planning to release Preview 2 this week. We're still hoping to release the GA in May but the current pandemic makes even short-term plans challenging. Pricing is TBD (beyond the free upgrade we're offering to folks who purchased VoodooPad 5 this year).

    Thanks for the feedback regarding the formatting options and the ReCAPTCHA. I'll see what we can do about both.

  16. Support Staff 106 Posted by John on 25 Mar, 2020 12:40 AM

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  17. 107 Posted by Paul Jensen on 27 Jun, 2020 04:54 PM

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    I am unclear on scripting support in VoodooPad 6. The Preview 2 still seems to support my .jstalk script, even when initiated via shortcut keys, although the one default Insert Page with Current Date script works but has no code available.

    Yet my VPPageEventScript does not work.

    - Will .jstalk Script Plugins continue to be supported?
    - Will VPPageEvent scripts be supported?

    I have counted heavily on Python plugins. I know John said they would no longer be supported, but I vote for their continued support.

  18. 108 Posted by Radek Smolik on 17 Aug, 2020 10:48 PM

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    Is there any chance to export the complete list of todos? Doesn't matter if as the part of the complete web export or as the separate page/document... If not, could you include it as the standard function in v6 or in some other future release?

  19. 109 Posted by moongoat on 31 Aug, 2020 04:33 AM

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    Can I add a comment or comment window that can annotate or comment on selected text? Thank you!

  20. 110 Posted by bev on 07 Sep, 2020 09:32 AM

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    Hi, is the iOS app still being supported?

    I’ve just got one document for syncing but nothing shows up after linking and clicking full sync multiple times. I see the sync log of my pages being downloaded, but there’s no way to access them from the app!

  21. 111 Posted by Craig on 24 Dec, 2020 07:40 PM

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    Late to the discussion. I just upgraded my hardware, had to debug an infrequently used VP script, and came across "VP6 won't support scripting". That alarmed me: I use VP everyday, and rely on my VP scripts everyday.

    Having to rewrite my Python scripts into JS would be annoying (although it wouldn't be the first time rewriting them), but no scripting support would be a deal breaker. I have been using VP since 2007.

    FWIW, I don't care about: iCloud sync (sounds difficult – good luck!), web hosting, publishing, markdown, plain text, evaluating a page as a script, iOS, dark mode.

    As has been said several times in this thread, simplicity is a virtue. A tool that works well is a joy to use, and most days, VP is that tool for me. However, I think the UX could use some polish. Some examples:

    Toggling: Show Ruler (Cmd+R) shows/hides the ruler, Show Fonts (Cmd+T) shows/hides the font mini-window, but Show Pages (Cmd+Shift+T) shows but does not hide the Pages mini-window. Toggling is useful behavior, and I wish all "show" commands toggled.

    Undo: After changing text color, Undo does not restore the previous color until after I click away from the color palette. (It didn't take me long to find that one. There may be others.)

    Consistency: The Fonts mini-window has controls to change text color and page background, but not highlight color. I don't understand why page background (which I have never used) is in this window, and text highlight color is not. Also, when I change page background and then undo, the color indicated in the Fonts mini-window does not undo.

    Timed auto-save would be sweet because I occasionally focus on a single tab for a long time (like when taking notes during a meeting), although I admit it would rarely used.

  22. 112 Posted by Mat Schulte on 02 Jan, 2021 04:49 AM

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    OMG, I just discovered (after all these years) how to use the "Static" plugin to make a blog using Voodoopad! It's so cool! Please keep this in the newer versions! If this makes it into v. 6 I will definitely go into "shut up and take my money" mode! I've tried Wordpress and all kinds of other nonsense and I just don't like the how complex + generic it all feels. Making web pages with VP is actually fun and easy and immediate and I *get* it. I want to keep using it for that kind of stuff!

  23. 113 Posted by TheK on 05 Jan, 2021 01:06 AM

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    So, what’s the plan for a release and an update is version?

    As much as I love Voodoo Pad the current official versions are getting a bit long in the tooth.

  24. Support Staff 114 Posted by John on 06 Jan, 2021 09:23 PM

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    @Mat I think you're the only person who uses the Static plugin at the moment. :-)

    What sort of web host are you using to publish your blog? The biggest stumbling block we've hit in trying to figure out how Static should work in 2021 is how people will actually publish their blogs to the web.

  25. 115 Posted by Sam Livingston-... on 18 Jan, 2023 11:56 PM

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    I had a long list of surprising behavior here, but it started to feel like I was just piling complaints on a too-busy developer—and, as a too-busy developer myself, that seemed rude. :)

    TL;DR: VP's rich text UI doesn't fit my brain.

    Every few years I think "Hey, VoodooPad was great. Why did I stop using it?" Then I try to use it, rediscover how incredibly fiddly its rich text support is, and stop using it again. I've managed to learn complicated software in the past (Git, Vim, Fusion 360), but I just can't ever seem to wrap my head around VoodooPad's rich text UI, which means that trying to *write* inevitably gives me an abundance of opportunities to get distracted by trying to *format*.

    Hmm. Maybe it's time to try vimwiki.

  26. Support Staff 116 Posted by John on 19 Jan, 2023 12:06 AM

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    Send your feedback our way. We don't spend as much time on VoodooPad as I'd like, but we're still interested in hearing from our users.

    For rich text, does writing in Markdown make things better or worse for you? I find most of my time in VoodooPad is spent writing in Markdown and it means I don't have to think about formatting at all.

  27. 117 Posted by buysj on 19 Jan, 2023 08:52 PM

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    Wow, an update from the dev! For me, writing in Markdown is easier because I “write what I mean” and don’t worry about it. Bold this, italics that, title here, sub-title there. And most importantly, the three back-tics to delineate a code block. I’ve got hundreds of markdown files strewn about my Mac like that now.

  28. 118 Posted by Sam Livingston-... on 21 Jan, 2023 12:04 AM

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    I tend to use VoodooPad to record information that I'll read more often than I write it, and when I'm reading, I like to have all the formatting, proportionally spaced fonts, and so on. But I like using a WYSIWYG editor so I don't have to switch modes or go through an edit/render/browse cycle, which is what drew me to VoodooPad in the first place. (Well, that and not feeling like running MediaWiki on localhost.)

    That said, I do have fond memories of WordPerfect's "Reveal Codes" view, so a split screen with Markdown below and a live-updating rendered view above might work... :)

    Also, while I've been superficially conversant with Markdown since it came out, I don't use it often enough to have memorized its syntax. It probably doesn't help that there are so many variations on it.

    The general theme here is that, while I'm very comfortable in code, sometimes I just want to focus on writing (with some code snippets sprinkled in), and I'm looking for a tool that lets me do that without distracting me.

  29. 119 Posted by Wim on 27 Feb, 2023 09:33 PM

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    Never got into writing Markdown, but interested in starting to do so.

  30. Support Staff 120 Posted by John on 04 Mar, 2023 06:25 PM

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    VoodooPad 5 supports writing pages in Markdown. You can specify Markdown when you create a page (see the "Type" option in the "Make a new page" panel). You can also set Markdown as the default for new pages in the "Info" palette (see the "New Page Format" option).

    VoodooPad 6 (currently in preview) not only supports writing pages in Markdown, Markdown is the default format "out of the box".

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