I'm really sorry, but this is a major disappointment. Opening both apps; VP5 & VP6; side by side yields practically no difference apart from the UI. The preferences also bear that out. You've removed key components, the server and scripting and replaced it with nothing. Not even icloud is working.
Wow, this is not what I was expecting after so much time to develop.
First impressions, after a very short test:
I'm missing lots of page info. In the VP5 'pages' pop-up window, you would not only see the different pages in the document, but could also call up lots of info for the current page. In previous documents, I particularly liked the possibility to see the backlinks for a page (the pages that link to the current page). You could also define text styles globally in that window, and apply the same style on words in every single page. All that is missing, for now. I hope that you will add it in future releases.
Just my two cents: I've been using Voodoo Pad 5 for a couple of years now and have never used the scripting or the Web server. I'm sure the people that used scripting are going to be disappointed, but my guess is that the development team did not make this change lightly, and that is was based on the recognition that very few users took advantage of those features.
Someone else indicated that it was most UI changes, as if that is less important. In fact, I think it is very important. The UI in 5 has always been a little clunky, and making it more like other Mac apps, to me, is a substantial change for the better.
I'm very happy with the DropBox syncing. It works perfectly. My experience with iCloud over the years has been very mixed. I hope you are successful getting that to work, as I know other developers just gave up (thanks, Apple, for sub-standard software).
Is scripting going to be removed altogether, or just the ability to run scripts on a page? Just asking because when I open the Applescript Script Editor and go to select a dictionary, I see entries for 5.3.0 and 6.0.0. In the current preview build, I can still run a script. Also, I recently made a couple of scripts to integrate Hook and Voodoopad. It would be a shame to lose those, but not the end of the world. I'm glad to see there's continued development on VoodooPad, but I would like to continue having the ability to use Applescript to do things I currently do, like append to pages by an launcher workflow, or with Popclip.
John on 31 Dec, 2019 05:07 AM
AppleScript scripts are unsupported but support for them is still present in Preview 1. My assumption was that no one was using VoodooPad's AppleScript support so it wasn't worth maintaining. That's clearly not the case, so we'll take some time to evaluate whether AppleScript should remain in VoodooPad 6.
I just starting re-using voodoo pad quite recently. There is no other software out there that matches my needs this close. When using it I found that the UI can be a bit clunky, so this update is welcome!
bug1 there is no clean way to delete an image, see explanation below
bug2 conversion dialog does not have buttons, see image below. This only happened two times in a row. Voodoopad 5 also has this bug.
linked images appear in the file list (see also bug above) this is a bit confusing. Maybe you can separate pages and "linked items" by using a filter together with a suitable icon in the list view on the left?
when using markdown, is it possible to disable the in-place markdown rendering (render as 1 fontsize or just plain text instead of big headers distracting too much)?
I am in favor of using collections, it would be nice to see the left bar contain a selection as an alternative to the alphabetical list. This would really help give structure to my wiki in an easy way. Flipping between alphabetical view and collection view would be great.
adding some margin/padding to the document would help for readability
as mentioned, aliases would be very welcome as this makes linking a lot easier
a resize option in markdown (e.g. !(image.png=200x, !(image.png=x200 or would really help
are you by any chance looking into Catalyst, which could simplify cross platform mac/iOS app development?
very nice that we can already try this pre-release version! Thank you!
create markdown page
drag file on top, file appears in page list
click on image file -> image opens in external window
close external window -> image is still selected in list view
press delete button
Expected: dialog asks to delete image file and deletes it upon confirmation Observed: dialog asks to delete page file and dates page file upon confirmation
create rich text file
convert to markdown
Expected: warning dialog with buttons should appear Observed: it does not have buttons
A good beta. Am liking it and looking forward to what updates bring.
Just adding my support to some of the comments from jonny5, such as -
> adding some margin/padding to the document would help for readability
I think this is really needed, especially to attract new users to VP who would be expecting that look (I've shown the beta picture to 3 macuser friends and non-vp users and all have commented negatively on this).
> when using markdown, is it possible to disable the in-place markdown rendering (render as 1 fontsize or just plain text instead of big headers distracting too much)?
Agreed. For typing up pages the simpler the look the better. Markdown for later or for quick checking.
Probably known: There seems to be a glitch on the screen presentation when pages/info/current page are on/off. The current page can become partially obscured.
The Company I work at (a medical startup) is contemplating using voodoopad as a local wiki solution for our lab work among different branches etc.
However, now I am bit worried that we have to buy a new round of licenses for voodopad 6 if we buy voodoopad 5 licenses now (end January start February 2020). Is that really how it works or do you have some solution to mitigate this potential problem? I saw the part about voodoopad 5 licenses was valid for voodoopad6 (for now) but what does that actually mean?
on 14 Jan, 2020 08:44 AM
Super excited about VoodooPad 6. Hands down the best piece of software on my Mac. I was worried that the development was discontinued, so discovering that a new and improved version is on the way really makes me happy. Thank you guys! Keep up the good work!
On cursory exploration, I like that pages are a dedicated sidebar. Personal preference would be to have an option somewhere in settings to select whether it is on the right or left.
I would also agree with previous suggestions to have the alias feature. That is one that I personally used extensively in my previous docs to organize my content more effectively. Not having it will be a significant step back for my workflow.
The alias feature -- hopefully remodeled to accommodate a comma separated string (alias 1, alias 2, etc.) -- and proper dark-mode support is what I am waiting for in VP6. Currently I am using DEVONthink 3 which has this same feature along with automatic wiki links. With these I won't miss much the other features that were taken away. (But without them I have to say that this will feel a lot like a downgrade).
Also, it would be nice if the new markdown engine supported footnotes. By the way, @John, what is exactly new in this engine? Why did you decided to move away from MMD?
I just want to cast my vote for keeping AppleScript support.
Glad to see some renewed activity on VoodooPad, though. I’m not going to get too excited yet because I don’t want to be disappointed. :)
As stated earlier the company I work in is looking into using VoodooPad as our internal scientific wiki.
However during testing of voodoopad 5 (trial version) we noticed that it seemed impossible to scale any imported images? We also tried directly importing from an iPhone (tested the Mac version of voodoopad) but same results. This is really a problem as we store some of our data as high resolution images and we do not like to show them in full resolution into the wiki as they are ridiculous high resolution and takes a lot of screen estate!
We are coming from confluence wiki where you can easily do that (retain full resolution but only show a scaled version). Is it something voodoopad 6 will solve? Or am I missing an obvious way of doing this in voodoopad 5?
on 02 Feb, 2020 10:56 PM
If you fix or change the export to html feature in VP 6 so that it does not embed the CSS info per page would mean a lot for me -- i.e. I could have my own CSS independent of the styles used inside VP5/6. Makes it tough to use VP to export to web pages.
on 02 Feb, 2020 11:01 PM
Actually Zim has the option to specify the CSS for html export, so for VP6 that would also be good. Best:
1. no css
2. specify css (point to css file) and embed
3. point to external css via http URL
4. default VP css.